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Dime novels weren't invented during the time the movie would have taken place. First dime novel was in the 1860s; the Golden Age of Piracy was over by then.

Rum was a ship's staple, not a luxury. That and bottle beer were drunk instead of water, since water went bad. Throwing it out is not an option.

Nightfall was not a time when all good little pirates went off to bed. The deck is not deserted when the moon is out. An entire watch should be on deck, making it hard for people to fuck without an appreciative audience.


I'm a little anal sometimes, but things bother me. ;)

Date: 2003-07-17 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thefirethorn.livejournal.com
My main problem is with the work "Okay." It's an American Indian word. I doubt proper English Women use it -- unfortunately it was one of the very first lines in the movie. Oh well.

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Date: 2003-07-17 10:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] serafina20.livejournal.com
I"m fine with okay. The movie didn't try overmuch to get a historical feel; they did a little, but modern stuff got slipped in. Which to me is fine, as long as they don't start saying things like, "cool' or "awesome."

What bothers me more is when people try to write accents and dialect. I'd rather hear it in my head than have to struggle to decipher what they've written.

I'm doomed...

Date: 2003-07-17 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spiderine.livejournal.com
okay, I know I'm going to rot in hell for getting sucked in by yet another fandom, but.... where does one find PotC fan fic? Especially slash (if it exists)?

Re: I'm doomed...

Date: 2003-07-17 01:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] serafina20.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] pirategasm , [livejournal.com profile] arrrr and yahoogrops: piratefic and POTC_slash

Happy hunting!

do we know exactly when the film takes place?

Date: 2003-07-17 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hederahelix.livejournal.com
I've been trying to figure that out. I ask because depending on exactly when it's set, the argument could be made that even the concept of a novel was still a little fuzzy, but for that to be true, it would have to be set pretty squarely in the Golden Age of pirates. I get the sense it's supposed to be towards the end of that era(the references Norrington makes to wanting to rid the Spanish Main of pirates entirely) which at least means at least novels themselves existed. I'd honestly have to look it up to see when people began calling them novels. It's not the time period I'm most familiar with at all.

But you're right. Dime novels came a lot later.

The only thing I knew about rum in that era was that sailors were paid partly in rum. Don't know where I heard that, but I remember filing that away for some reason. At any rate, I'm learning. ::Grumble grumble:: like I need a new fandom. Gah.
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From: [identity profile] serafina20.livejournal.com
It's either in the middle or the end of the Golden Age. I'll have to double check Morgan and Roberts (whom Elizabeth cites as creating the code of the bretheren) and see when they sailed. I actually think it was closer to the end, so the late 1700s (?) I think, since Jack says the Pearl is "one of the last true pirate ships."

But, despite that, there have been way to many fics where Elizabeth refers to reading something in a dime novel.

I came across the rum as a substitute for water on one web page, and then the bottle beer on another. Rum makes sense if they were coming out of the West Indies since they made rum there; beer, I think, is more an English thing, right?
From: [identity profile] hederahelix.livejournal.com
Well, I double checked on the novel bit. My webster's dictionary lists the word novel as first being used in 1639, so I think we're at least safe with that.

I have an odd feeling that I might have picked up the rum reference when I last toured the USS Constitution. I know it's not something I read recently. I can't place when or where exactly I heard it, but I know I heard it a while back.

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